August 18, 2006...6:24 pm

Why I Dislike Guitar Center.

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Edit: A few months later, I realize that hate is such a strong word.

Preface: I’ve been to 6 different Guitar Centers. Hollywood, San Marcos, La Mesa, San Diego (pre La Mesa move), San Francisco, and San Francisco 2 (pre Van Ness move). So I think i’ve seen enough Guitar Center’s to accurately complain about them, but that’s up to you. Lets get started.

Guitar Center is the bane of the guitarists existence; the be-all end-all of guitar stores for the guitarist’s vernacular. When someone wants to try out guitars, they go to Guitar Center. When someone wants to buy an amplifier, they go to Guitar Center. When someone needs just about any musical gear, they go to Guitar Center. Every person who’s ever been to one knows the feeling they get. You’re outside the door and you hear someone butchering a popular song; Stairway to Heaven, One by Metallica, or some Green Day. At any other time, you’d be irritated, but when you walk in, you completely ignore that kid playing an American Telecaster on Neck Pickup through a Line 6 on full distortion, you ignore the guy who’s always too loud when he plays a small combo, and you forget the Metalhead shredding his pants off at the Mesa Boogie Triple rectifier. You see that wall of guitars and think “Damn, I want that wall.” Then it all sets in. The attractive woman at the door (I’ve been meaning to ask, but it might sound rude asking “Why are all of the guitar center door people attractive women” as I might sound creepy coming from a guy in a faded hat, old sandals, shorts, and an ACDC shirt that’s too big) says hello to you, you start looking for that guitar you want to play around with, and there are already 10 people’s eyes watching you, judging you.

Now why would I take time out of my day to rant about Guitar Center? Simple. Guitar Center is a business, and their business is music, so they run music like a business. Confused? I’ll explain.

The Levels: When you or I walk into a Guitar Center, everything is thought out about how it should look when we walk in. Their gear is organized in levels on the walls. They symbolize yearning and affordability, so basically the lower it is, the easier to buy, and with the elevation increase on that wall of guitars, the price follows suit. But the proof is in the pudding, so here’s an analysis of the “levels.”

The Low Level: The Squiers, Mexican Strats, Jackson Dinkys, PRS SE’s, Epiphone Les Pauls, BC Rich bolt-ons, Ibanez’s low numbered RGs, Jasmine acoustics, Baby Taylors, Fender acoustics, and so on. Usually, the lowest guitars are the guitars meant to introduce people to playing the instrument, and they only cost 100-300 dollars. So you’d think that they’re there for the new guitarist? One would hope so. These are the Guitars that the parents buy for their kids on Christmas, the younger player gets when they save money, and the older person gets to try and rekindle their youth. However, the companies that make the guitars are trying to keep a steady profit while also selling expensive instruments. Rarely does a company specialize in top of the line gear without making cheap stuff to keep the money flowing in. The thing about the cheap stuff is that the companies don’t really care about it. They use cheap materials, cheap labor, and no quality control. These mass produced instruments should be used by no one, but there’s no getting around it. The companies don’t set the guitars up when they send them to Guitar Center, so when that young kid who gets a guitar complains that his fingers have been hurting too much, his strings keep breaking, and the sound keeps cutting out, it’s because there’s absolutely no setting up at the factory. I actually feel like the companies might be deliberately keeping the action on guitars high so people will want the more expensive ones, therefore associating easiness with the more expensive guitars. These cheap guitars are meant to be played for about a year, then the person either gives up guitar or is forced to buy a better guitar.

The Middle: At mid-level are the middle range guitars which are good bang for your buck instruments which will last awhile, and still sound pretty good. I’m talking the Ibanez Prestiges, Fender American Strats and Teles, Jackson bolt-on Soloists, Gibson Faded models, Schecters, Takamine and Parkwood acoustics, amongst plenty of others which cost anywhere from 400-1000. These are actually good guitars, but they don’t have the construction quality of the upper level guitars. These are the guitars for the player who wants to upgrade or get another guitar of equal quality to another guitar. They are perfect backups to the ultra expensive guitars, and are great for experiments customization such as pickups, hardware, and different wiring. Guitar Center puts these there because they are slightly harder to reach than the cheap ones, therefore signifying that someone might know what they’re doing if they’re going out of their way to grab one. These guitars are semi-well set up, which means the guitar player used to the cheap guitar might associated these guitars with something better, and give them a reason to beg their parents for one. Personally, i’d save up for a better one, but for a temporary halt to the begging of your kids, these will work for about 5 months.

The Upper Level: These are the instruments you’re supposed to aspire to, and they take a months pay to get. Gibson Les Pauls, Fender Player’s choice american Strats, Jackson American Soloists, Charvel San Dimas’, Ernie Ball Music Man, PRS Santanas, BC Rich Platinums, Ibanez JEMs, and pretty much any guitar from 1000 to 5000 dollars. These are the instruments that the companies know you want, so Guitar Center puts them out of reach. You’re only supposed to look at these things until you can actually get one, and rarely does anyone have the brass to ask a Guitar Center sales person to reach down a $3000 Gibson Les Paul Supreme unless they have the money to afford one. These guitars are made with good quality materials, most likely constructed in America (Partly the reason for the price), and they have been professionally set up. If anyone gets a chance to pick one up, the company wants you to know that this represents the best in instruments and is what the pros use.

First you get the money: Guitar Center makes musical instruments a Corporation style event, and while you’re looking for the best instrument for yourself, they just want you to buy anything. They don’t really care if you get the best deal, really love the instrument, or if you’re getting a quality instrument. The salespeople are paid on commission, and the prices of everything are hiked up in the first place. That means that the Fender Telecaster that says 400 dollars plus tax, you can probably get it for 350 flat if you actually talk to the sales person. Experience shows that a Fender Fretless Jazz bass for 450 plus tax can be bought for 375 with no tax. The sales people are willing to haggle because they just want you to buy anything. That’s why they wander around the store aimlessly looking for their next victim, and I referenced it when I talked about the experience of entering guitar center and seeing the 10 people judge you. 5 of those people are the wandering musicians in the store, and the other 5 are salespeople figuring out how much money you might spend. That’s why if you’re dressed as a college student, you’ll get the cold shoulder, but if you’re an older man, if you’re a mom with your son, or if you just look rich, the salespeople will swarm you like vultures to a dead gazelle.
What does it all mean?: Guitar center wants you to think that the best guitar for you is the one at the top of the wall, they want you to think that the most expensive thing must be the best thing. You have to look up to see it, you have to think about it from afar, and it catches your eyes and memory, so you have to associate it with the best.

But it’s not. In fact, there is no best, especially not the ones at Guitar Center.

Guitar Center doesn’t really put competing guitars and gear in their store. There’s only a handful of modeling amps there, mostly Line 6, but there are lots of others out there which are better, and better priced. There are only a few of each expensive guitar at the store, and there are limited options, but the company has made thousands of these expensive guitars. There’s only one Fender Eric Johnson strat at each Guitar Center at a given time, and it’s to keep up the idea that it’s being sold (Don’t get me wrong, the Eric Johnson strat is one of the best sounding guitars ever made). They only sell the Line 6 Pod, when there are actually a good amount of other Pods out there for a better price and more functionality (Behringer V-amp, Johnson J-Station). There are literally thousands of distortion pedals out there, and Guitar Center usually has about 30 of them, mostly Boss and Digitech.

The companies out there actually pay Guitar Center to keep one of a certain iconic object available, instead of giving options that would be available had there been more.

Sadly, there’s no alternative. Mom-and-pop stores are pretty much nonexistant, their prices can’t compete, and there’s no one out there willing to fight Guitar Center’s unorthodox style of musical instrument selling. And what should be a fun hobby/joy/profession such as music, is instead turned into a car dealership.

56 Comments

  • hey guitarist,
    i’m liking your writeups; there straight from the hip, and i lke how honest they are! this post reminds of many of some stores in canada i’ve been into!
    earl

  • Right on with the people who crank there amp and try to impress everyone else in the store. I especially hate the metalheads who think they are good but are way to scared to play clean and realize how awful they are

  • Hey,
    Nice to see someone who agrees with me on the subject of guitar center. I hate how everyone thinks they have to impress someone in a guitar center.(Most of them are usually terrible! and it’s usually the humble ones who are good) I also hate how prices are so jacked up everywhere else because they can’t compete with it. There is no viable alternative. It’s funny because I followed your schema of purchasing the low quality then working my way up, Although I wouldn’t dare step into a guitar center and ask to play a JEM unless I was sure I was the only one in the store lol.

  • Good write up and I agree with most of what’s said. My wife and I own a “Ma & Pa” music store and we are able to compete, price wise, with GC on the brands that will talk to us. Alot of the manufacturers don’t deal with the small purchaser like us and in some markets, our larger competitors tell them not to deal with us. Also, due to the volume that GC and online dealers have, they don’t have to “jack up the price”, which pays for small things like rent, staff, time for setups, answering questions of the new customer……

    The outcome is that we carry some great guitars and gear, but not with the “Name Appeal” that the general music public assumes means quality. Case in point, our Austin Electrics are leaps and bounds ahead of all the lowend name brand mentioned above. When the customer does take the time to try out the goods, they generally purchase!

    We have a GC moving in soon to our neighborhood and I welcome it. They’ll get all the no talent kids showing off and we’ll get the real customer. Our customer will still get the “online prices”, but with service, sanity, lessons, and respect.

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  • Business is business whether its a mom and pop shop or GC. Almost everyone is out for the $$ in retail. I’ve dealt with guitar center on many occasions and it strictly depends on the salesperson you get. I’ve had both excellent and awful experiences. I can also say the same about many of the local mom and pop shops in my area. I work on commission ay my job and hate the “vulture” stereotype that I get from people. I have NEVER ripped someone off to make more money (not saying there aren’t those people out there.)

    If anything you should be happy to talk to someone on commission. In order to make money they need to know their shit. If they aren’t personable and educated on their gear then they dont make a paycheck. I would take a good salesperson on commission over a chump making 8 an hour any day. It is pretty easy to tell a guy trying to rip you off from someone who really wants to help you. Just as easy as telling a poorly made Les Paul on GC’s wall compared to an amazing Les Paul at your local music store.

    Guitar center is not a place for a critical guitarist. It is somewhere for the beginner/intermediate guitarist/musician to go and get OK gear for a good price. When you are as large as they are it is tough to find vendors large enough to support the amount of volume push out the door. The quality of your “boutique amps” and custom shop Anderson guitars would go through the toilet if GC picked them up. It just so happens that all of the large companies that played their cards right over the years get a chance to be sold at a place like that.

    I wouldn’t be so critical of the place because of the teenage kids go in there and like to “show off.” Those “no talent” kids will grow up to be a good musician and a valued return customer one day. Not to mention, any guitarist would be drooling over a $4000 PRS if it was at GC or your local shop. Just my two cents.

  • Did you see Electric-Guitar-Review.com’s review of this post? You nailed it!

    Have you read Ed Roman’s rants about GC? Same viewpoint.

    Great rant!!

    JP

  • I would NEVER purchase a high-end guitar from one of these stores. I remember looking at a Martin – Eric Clapton model.. it had been played by every greasy fingered kid in town.. and looked like crap.. there seems to be a total lack of quality control, who knows what these instruments have been through before you buy one?

  • Guitar center was actually the last music store in my area that I had the chance to go to, and I thought it was the best one. The atmosphere is definitely not as shady as some think, and the salesman at mine are good guys. Your argument on their business ethic was pointless, because that’s just how businesses are. They want you as a customer. Basically when you’re shopping for higher end gear, if you have a decent idea of what you’re doing then you’ll be fine. It is true that they mark stuff up, but if you show interest then they’ll tell you right away. It might just depend on the location you’re at. Anyways I work at a GC, in Ops, and at least in my area there’s really no better place to go. Just do some research before you go spending and it’ll be all good.

  • I’ve never been to a GC, but I recently read that GC bought “musicians friend” I do buy stuff from musicians friend and have always been very happy with them. The reason I’m writting is to vent some things that bug me about musical instrument shops. They mark up their instruments about $250. for their “gold level set up” Ok, why should I pay them $250+ to throw a shim under the neck? Are there really people out there who can’t adjust their own instruments? That’s fine for people who don’t mind paying it, but I’d rather get the instrument cheaper and set it up myself. Another thing, I could care less if a guy is playing a million dollar Gibson or a home-made two string two by four if it sounds good who cares? If you can’t make a cheap guitar sound good, then paying an extra $4000. isn’t gonna make you sound any better. I wouldn’t buy a Gibson if my life depended on it because to me it just announces to everyone that you are dumb enough to pay way too much for a brand name. Get an Epiphone instead it’s the same guitar. If I ever get rich and famous, I’m gonna play a Rogue or a squire just so I can show the kids that it aint the gold plated

  • My guess is the reason they put the more expensive instruments up higher is because they’re safer up there. I know I keep my grampa’s original 51 fender in a safer place than my “around the campfire” acoustic. I could care less if a guy is playing a million dollar Gibson or a home-made two string two by four if it sounds good who cares? If you can’t make a cheap guitar sound good, then paying an extra $4000. isn’t gonna make you sound any better. I wouldn’t buy a Gibson if my life depended on it because to me it just announces to everyone that you are dumb enough to pay way too much for a brand name. Get an Epiphone instead it’s the same guitar. If I ever get rich and famous, I’m gonna play a Rogue or a squire just so I can show the kids that it aint the gold plated tuners that make it sound good, it’s the years of practice and the heart and soul of the player.

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  • man ive tried every music store in my city and no one is hiring but guitar center, i fuckin would hate to work there but i dont know what to do, i figured at least being able to work around what i love is better then not, does anyone have any suggestions? someone please save me from having to work there…..

  • Nicely stated. I am looking to have a guitar built as I am so dissapointed with the selection that is given to the public.

  • I am currently employed at a Guitar Center and I feel compelled to respond to your rant.
    First off, ANY business is out to make money, no matter the size of the place. You point out many things, but you seem to have no coherent thoughts to most of them. We are not in business to put out the ma and pa places, actually we refer alot of business(lessons, repairs, etc.) to many of these local businesses. I believe we are here to provide some competition and better selection. While it is true some sales people are shady and do not care, for the most part that is not true. I mean, you sound like you’ve never had a bad experience with sales people anywhere else. Our crew here is sincere and honest, because we want your business, yes, but also because we want to to succeed and excel.
    I think you should reconsider your opinion(s), and realize that you are living in a corporate driven country. Unfortunate, but true.

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  • I think you should tell the store manager that their sales people are chodes. I work a GC. I don’t sell just anything to anybody because I don’t want the return. Yeah, we work on commission and if you notice alot of the GC’’s have a huge turnover rate. The reason is because they don’t make money. The reason they don’t make money is because their customer service sucks. I sell people what they want and what they need. And if some kid wants to play any of our Eric Johnson strats (yes we have more than one) or our Les Paul customs (once again plural). I make sure they’re serious before I hand it to him. I don’t sell just whatever I can. I want to sell what’s going to make the customer happy. I make 10 grand a month in a small store because I make people happy. And people don’t grind me on price because I make people happy. As far as the profit mark ups go all stores mark up. Even mom and pop stores. Even whatever business you work for has a mark up on whatever service you provide. How do you think a business grows? I think you just need to evade the dorky sales clerks and find a guy that wants to sell you what’s right for you. Pay a visit to GC 338.

  • Well, what about people that can play worth a shit, but have the cash (or the will to get it) and want a nice instrument to learn on. Guitar Center isn’t really set up for you to take an instrument and plug away at it and not feel like a knob. Sure, they have a room that you can use, but you either have to know about it or ask about it. If I worked there, I would regularly tell people, “hey, if you’d like to play any of these I can set you up in our private room so you can spend some time with it.” Those guys never do that. They are horrible salespeople. And what’s with all the “guaranteed lowest prices”? Who has the guaranteed “lowest” price. All I see is everyone has the exact same price on the exact same gear. It should be “guaranteed same price as everyone else”. So why shop there?

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  • I would say that blog is pretty much on the mark.

    Look at it this way… for someone trying to start out with a couple of hundred bucks and looking for their first guitar, GC is probably as good a place to go as any. Consider the alternatives: They could go to Wal-Mart where they can buy a REALLY crappy Strat clone. Next is the pawn shop where they can pay almost new prices for someone else’s first instrument or drug habit, and hope that the guitar is still in decent shape. I’m not counting going online since Musician’s Friend is owned by GC, and other places like zZounds are essentially the same thing. Finally, and this was brought out in the blog, local music shops just can’t compete on the low end… at least that has been my experience. Part of the problem too is that a beginner simply does not know enough to ask the right questions or what kind of setup works best for them, so it only follows that they are going to get the “cool” guitar.

    Once the player moves into the intermediate range and above, then the situation changes. There I think the GC approach works against them, since at that point they are trying to find their sound, and being able to to find the right guitar (not necessarily the most expensive) and gear for them is more important.

    Of course that’s just my opinion :-)

  • Wow. I can’t believe how much nonsense some people get away with.

    Okay, the expensive stuff is at the top for basically ONE reason, not for some silly psychological suggestive reasoning that the top=higher=better=makes me want to spend more money… the reason that the expensive stuff is up there is because GC has learned a thing or two about being the biggest music retailer in the U.S. —> namely, that a lot of soccer moms in the ‘burbs’ have found GC to be a suitable babysitter for literally, entire afternoons, whenever they want to drop off the kids somewhere for awhile. It’s a merchandising/loss prevention strategy. Lots of kids come through who have no respect for the gear, they leave stuff out, they drop stuff, they act like it’s a playground. But those same kids eventually get jobs during the summer and make money, and they unload their paychecks at GC. It’s beautiful, like a drug habit almost… But seriously, those kids help us meet our numbers. Yeah, a lot of them suck, but they’ll get better, and we help them keep a passion for a hobby that is at least a benefit to society rather than a dredge.

    GC built its reputation on being user-friendly, as it was really the first music retailer that encouraged people to come in and play the gear, after all, how else can you know what you like. I’ll also tell you this, GC has done a lot for young musicians who never had the opportunity to purchase instruments say, 15 years ago. I remember that a Percussion Plus Drum Kit, which is crap, could cost $750 at a music store. Now, you can get a Gretsch Catalina at GC for that same price. Perhaps some of you aren’t old enough to remember the ungodly prices that the independents hacked you to death for. GC was really among the first to give you big-box prices. If you don’t recall those days and you are up here whining and complaining about GC, then you might do well to stop the gum-flapping in that it only makes you sound very narrow sighted, and not fully informed.

    Also, to say that you can’t get the high-end product at GC is a misnomer. Each store has a level rating. That rating dictates what kind of product gets shipped. And just because GC doesn’t have it locally doesn’t mean you can’t get it transferred from another store. As well, we can get anything out of the warehouse from any of our vendors with our own pricing on it. All you have to do is find someone in the store and say, “I want _______!” You will have it!

    Oh yeah, and don’t make fun of GC for saying “Guaranteed Lowest Price” — they pioneered this affordability concept for musical instruments back in the 90’s, and everyone else just had to find a way to compete.

    As for the sales associates product knowledge. Cut them some slack… I have worked for independent stores that knew less about a product than some guitar center employees. And as well… you would be shocked at the level of credentials for a lot of folks at GC. 10 of almost 30 of our sales associates have bachelor’s degrees in music or a related field. Two of us hold masters degrees. If we don’t know what you’re talking about, it’s probably because there is so much stuff out there that we are learning at any given time, that your singular issue might just happen to be something that slipped between the cracks.
    So, it is what it is…

    If you don’t like us, don’t shop with us. Our time could better be used with people who appreciate our efforts.

  • I don’t know about your town, but compared to the “Mom-and-Pop” stores in our town, the prices at GC are much better. To me this just sounds like a rant from a poor son of a bitch that got talked into buying something he really didn’t want. As long as you know what you want, have done research on the product and pricing, you should be fine.

    And this whole thing about no setting up at factories. How the hell are factory workers supposed to know how you like your guitars set up? If your not stupid, you’ll ask how to lower the action, and if your strings keep breaking, here’s a thought………….buy a new set of stings or try a different brand and a heavier guage.

  • yea, I dont like how the only stores around are guitar center cuz i hate to have to play the guitars u can tell that the last kid who played it had maple syrup on his hand. I prefer the ma and pa shops cuz ucan see the true beauty of guitars that way. Now I go to guitar center sometimes AND am a teenager so u all think “oh this kid must not get this” but I never buy from there I like to play quiet cause I know that I would be a hippocrit for bein mad at the loud obnoxious players. i dont listen to any of the bullshit u hear about wut is the good stuff. I personally like Schecters and a couple average ibanezs even though kids tell me im retarded to pick a Schecter over a Gibson, but schecters feel the best to me and I like them.

  • ok ok.. i work at GC, and i have to tell you that really, all things considered..? it’s a pretty impressive company. as far as being big-box, it is.. but this is a big-box economy, guys.. this is a capitalist country. we don’t do what we do to put mom and pop out of business.. like what was said before, i actively SEND business to mom and pop music for things we don’t handle, like repairs, sheet music, lessons, certain brands, etc.. and yes, unfortunatley, there’s going to be people out there who had bad experiences at GC.. there are always exceptions, we can’t please 100% of the people 100% of the time, i don’t know many places that can.. and while i feel genuinely bad for the people who didn’t have good experiences, i feel genuinely good for the hundreds of happy customers who leave my store each week.

    different GC’s are exactly that, as well.. different. i’m lucky to work in a great store with a good crew, most of whom are musicians themselves, but there are some stores out there that have people that either don’t know enough or don’t care or both.. but they are the minority and usually don’t last very long. to make it work at GC and still be able to pay the rent, you have to know your shit and work with your customers. i have people who have come to my store to see me for YEARS because they know i’ll take care of them. i don’t automatically try to sell the highest-priced items we have because most of the time it’s not what the cusomer needs.

    and just to clear up any doubts or have-truths, yes we are salespeople, we are a business, trying to make money, just like anyone else. you don’t go to mcdonalds and ask “hey, can i get that combo for $2 instead of $4.95?” so what if it only cost 10 cents to make? dosen’t matter. thats money in my pocket, and thats what a business is. if you don’t want to pay $4.95 for a hamburger that costs 10 cents to make, then don’t buy one. you being hungry is not going to motivate me to lower the price when i’ve got people lined up to buy. i might knock some bucks off for something if it’s for a non-profit, or for a customer whom i get repeat business from.. or people who actually come there to spend money and buy gear instead of wanking on equipment they could never afford nor utilize 100% of they could. if someone wants to come in and drop 3k on a PA system, sure i’ll work with him on price. some guy haggling me over a $10 cable, or minivan mama buying a starter pack for her kid? no.. there’s no “mystical dark energy source” that powers GC’s dominance in the market. there’s a reason we are who we are, it is what it is. also, we do price match any printed regular price, if you find one on the same gear thats lower.. what else do you want? if you can get something cheaper/better from somewhere else, why are you even talking to me?

    i also hate the vulture salesman stereotype, but then again, it is what it is. i try not to hang around people, but the last time i checked you can’t walk into any store, grab what you need and check ourself out at the cash register.. you’ll need assistance at some point. some GC employees are better at it than others, but remember that we are here to SELL gear, thats what we do. we’re not a studio, hangout, babysitter or playground. we’re trying to make the company money because, well.. thats our job. we’re trying to make ourselves money as well. and usually when the prices start to come down, it’s us taking money out of our OWN pocket as our commish is based on what we make selling, so yeah.. i gotta have a pretty good reason.

    lastly, we do make commission, but we also work on hourly (state minimum wage) draw, which means we have to “pay back” our hourly salary in commissions before we actually see any to take home. people working at GC don’t do it for the money, take my word for it.. cause we don’t make much. i’m a part of GC because i WANT to be, not because i have to be. we do get a killer discount on gear, though.

    but anyway, yeah.. don’t let one person’s bad experience turn you off.. everything is a double edged sword. any doubts? come to my store.. i’ll do my best to take care of you.

  • Baldenario advises novices that the Guitar Center and its relative, Musician’s Friend, have excellent instruments at very attractive prices. As with virtually any musical instrument store, inventory changes over time, and smart shoppers can get great instruments by knowing as much as possible about instruments and pricing . . .

    So far, Baldenario’s most impressive bit of Guitar Center shopping mapped to purchasing a Les Paul Custom Shop Canary Yellow Catalina guitar for $800, because it did not have a case (so the accounting people decided to sell it at a heavily discounted price).

    What about the case?

    Well, since Baldenario was a frequent shopper and apparently the matching case was sold to someone who purchased a Les Paul Custom Shop Ace Frehley guitar, the sales person sweetened the deal with a free LP Custom Shop Ace Frehley guitar case . . .

    Additionally, it is a very good guitar, separately from everything else . . .

    Baldenario also got a truly remarkable one-up, specially made Fender Custom Shop Telecaster in a similarly outstanding purchase, based on the person who originally ordered the guitar not being entirely pleased with a tiny flaw in the wood grain of the fingerboard, which was only a visual flaw and has nothing whatsoever to do with the way the guitar plays and sounds . . .

    The general point is that if you know something about guitars and take the time to look at every guitar of the type you find interesting at least once a week (including the guitars on the top row, if that is where they are), then sooner or later you are quite likely to find a true gem . . .

    It always helps to purchase something each time you visit, if only a few guitar picks or a set of strings, because this tends to build a bit of rapport with the sales folks. If you are careful with the guitars when studying them, then after a while the sales folks pretty much decide that you have a clue and then give you a bit of space without any of the higher pressure sales stuff . . .

    One certainly can suggest that if a Guitar Center has 50 virtually identical three-color sunburst Fender American Deluxe Stratocasters, then statistically one or perhaps two of them will be just a little bit better than the others, and the only way you can determine which one is the best is to study each and every one of them in as much detail as possible . . .

    Sometimes, you might need to examine several hundred of them over the course of six months or a year before you find a truly great one, but if you do this consistently every week or two, then you are very likely to find a really great guitar. In fact, since some of the sales folks are guitarists, they can provide some help once they learn what you consider to be a “really great” guitar, because ultimately they are the people who receive the guitars once they are shipped to the store and then put them on display . . .

    As an additional bit of advice, if a sales person tells you that all the Fender American Deluxe Stratocasters of the same color and so forth are identical, then this is a good clue that they have no clue, because each guitar, no matter how identical it might appear to be, is unique in one way or another, if only because no two trees are the same and no two pieces of wood cut from the same tree are identical in every respect . . .

    Overall, what you want to find is a guitar made by someone who truly enjoys making guitars and does a bit more in one way or another than the other folks making guitars on that day or during that week . . .

    Thanks!

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  • I don’t know what happened to you in those guitar centers that you went to, but I seriously do not think it was tha sales reps or customers. I work at a Guitar Center, so I know what kind of overhead we have on gear. Tha reason we’re willing to mark down prices is not because we jacked them up. It’s because we’re told from tha get-go when we join tha sales team to do whatever it takes to make tha customer feel satisfied.

    I guess you were never at tha stage in your music where you had to improve, otherwise you’d understand a young musician butchering (also known as practicing) one of your favorite songs.

    I’ve never judged a customer walking in. Some long haired unshaven forty-something guy might walk in with holes in his pants and drop a few thousand on a guitar. People trust tha brand names out there because they’ve stood tha test of time. I think you need to lighten up a little. Judge not lest you be judged and all that.

  • you couldnt be more wrong..prices are not jacked at all…they offer the Garenteed lowest price..you cant find the equipment anywhere cheaper..if for some reason if u can they price match…yes they buy the guitars cheaper then they sell for but thats a BUSINESS!!! its called profit! The reason they all look at you is because its a form of security..there are no cameras in the place if u noticed! that is their way to keep people from stealing. people dont look at richer or poorer by appearance..i had a guy who looked like the biggest scumbag ever buy a 4000$ taylor off me the other day..its true they get commission but most people are they to help you find the guitar u want not to make profit..atleast i kno at my guitar center we take pride in what we do for our customers and not always look for a profit.. so your statement seems to be completely false…atleast on the east coast..

  • So long time a ago when I was 15 , 1989, I went into a local Ma & PA music store to buy my first real new guitar. I knew exactly what I wanted, an American Strat Plus. They had 6 of them and when I asked to have the special room with all the real guitars opened so I could play them and choose the one I liked the most, I was told NO. I had over a thousand dollars in my pocket from every summer job I had done that year, I could have bought almost any guitar in the store but they would not let me in to the room with the “good guitars”. The next day I took BART (thats the commuter train all) to the Guitar Center in Berkeley and hung out for hours playing almost every quality Strat I could. In the end the salesman pulled out of the stockroom a used 84(?)CIJ Squire Strat, Sunburst with Rosewood neck. Its the best Strat I played all day, I still have it and people ask me all the time where I got it. The kicker is I payed $350 with case, a third of the Strat Plus I wanted. Now i’ve walked in to Guitar Center and asked a salesman questions and imeadiatly known that I knew more than he ever would about music gear. Its not where you go it’s who you deal with.

  • I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels a bit intimidated every time i walk into a GC. The funny thing is my first experiences there was with an associated named Ian, he was completely down to earth, from the get go i told him i’m not looking to buy cuz i’m broke but i want to explore the sounds of gibson, prs and high end fender. He immidiately grabbed PRS Mcartey hollow body, 50’s, 60’s and 70’s fender strat, Gibson les pauls…he would show me how the knobs worked and the cool tones you can get if you know what you’re doing, he never hesitated to let me play…2 weeks later he was gone…go figure…my experiences at GC after Ian have been really embarassing or just humbling…they really do put you in your place the second they see you. And i absolutely hate hearing kids shred on nauseiating volumes. How are you supposed to know what a PRS Custome 24 plays like if they frawn at you when you want to try one…and i don’t look rich either so i guess that’s why.

  • I was injured at guitar center as a employee and have been screwed by them . They do not take care of their people and do not pay them accordinly . That is why they have such a t.urnover rate. you would think guitar center making as much money as they do they would help the poor employee a little

  • I’m a semi-retired pro musician who has been spending way too much time in music stores for over 20 years all over coastal California. I’ve been in one of the newest GCs numerous times (in West LA) and was just at the Sunset flagship last night.

    A few thoughts:

    GC’s “captive market” really isn’t true in places like the Bay Area or LA, and that is probably also the case in other places like Seattle, Chicago, DC, NYC, etc. In my experience, all of those places have independent music stores which can compete on price and selection. Also, Sam Ash seems to have stepped up their presence in the past decade, literally across the street in the case of GC’s Hollywood store. Is it true out in the sticks? Maybe. But why wouldn’t someone hop on a train or drive a few hours to give themselves a choice if they were really investing a few months’ savings for an instrument?

    I think the real axe people have to grind with GC (no pun intended) is just that they are the Wal-Mart of music stores, with all that this entails. Much like Wal-Mart, they are a good place to buy something which is more or less a commodity, and a good place to have a limited, predictable selection presented at a good price. Also, much like Wal-Mart, it is probably easy to feel like you aren’t the most special person in the world when you deal with them, whether as a customer.

    Now, that being said, even though I’ve had plenty of experiences visiting them, I have almost no use for them for anything except stuff like strings, tuners, and stands, though I appreciate their convenience when I need these things ASAP. Typically, most pro musicians never buy big-ticket gear new (except for software), for a variety of reasons, and the only GC I’ve seen with a decent vintage selection (Hollywood) seems to be more of a museum than a salesfloor, and the prices reflect the lack of motivation to really move product at market.

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  • I am from australia the land of overpriced guitars (think a MIM telecaster is valued at $1049 here) the dollar xhange rate is roughly the same. Our version of GC is either Billy Hydes or Allan’s music store. Allan’s is kinda gross with complete disregard for there instruments and they end up completely dirty and not setup and sell at top dollar. Its just wrong. I choose to go to the little shops a) you tend to get very good advice b) always received better deals oh and if something does go wrong they fix. Great rant awesome to hear someone take the time out to voice the concern of the way things are. I guess all i ask for music shops is take a little bit of pride in what you are doing. Billy Hyde atleast sets their guitars up and cleans them.

  • I don’t really like guitar center either, but the guitar centers in my city there are no attrative women at all. It’s all guys with long messy hair and long beards. Most of them are old too!

  • in some area’s your comments are correct, people working for commission want your money.
    but uh, thats how it works. it’s pretty stupid to complain about being sold something when you go there to buy it.

    my experience with GC has been hit and miss. they screwed up one of my orders and over-refunded my credit card causing serious problems. but that was resolved that night.

    since then i was given everything at cost. i got a 7 string hellraiser for 430$, an ampeg 4×12 HLF classic for 300$, and a gallien krueger backline 600 for 250$ brand new.

    no other store would ever do that, and if anything they lost money on me. but they obviously bent over backwards to make sure i was a returning customer.

    since then i have moved to the portland area (above mentioned store was in michigan) so now i have the west coast experience.

    out here everyone scrambles to do whatever i tell them. i wanted to hear some KRK rpg-2’s, the new ones. and they quickly tore open a direct box some live wires and a mixer and hooked it all up so i could play my cds through them. i was sold, they sounded great and the ones i bought were new in box not the ones they tore open to let me hear them.

    also recently i played every guitar in the store looking for a new sound. the salesperson helping me was really trying hard to help me find something that i liked. finally he suggested a michael kelly model that most GC’s do not carry, and neither did this one. so he had me come back the next day, and he brought in his own guitar for me to play. not only that but he stuck me in the luxary booth with the mesa triple rec half stack and other boutique amps and just said have at it and left me there. alone with his personal favorite guitar and their most expensive amps. you dont need to “know about” the luxary room or even ask.

    so i ordered the Kelly and opted for the 3 day select ups shipping because i really wanted it immediately. well it ended up taking 2 days for the shipping center to get to my order and because of the holiday weekend it looked like it was going to take a full week from the time i placed my order to the time i would receive it, making my shipping choice pointless. so i called them and without any yelling or complaining they mailed me out a gear card for the amount of the ups shipping. not only that but my phone conversation with the customer service rep got cut off (due to my cell phone) after he went to go check with his supervisor about me getting a refund. well the line dropped and i had to call back to a different customer service rep. they said that even though my call had dropped he had gone ahead and refunded my account and mailed out a gear card with the shipping amount on it and i didnt even get to talk to him after “ill go check with my supervisor”.

    in my opinion GC has great customer service and if you know what your talking about and find the right person (dont go into pro audio and ask about a les paul) you will have a contact there who will give you price breaks, insider info, BRING IN THEIR OWN GUITAR FOR YOU TO PLAY, ect…

    also: why do you think they put attractive women at the front counter?

    durrrhhp

    and as far as the way they layer their guitars with the pricier ones at the top, uh…im sorry thats too obvious for me to even comment on.

  • First off, I just want to say thank you for the compliment, as I am one of those door girls :D I have been at Guitar Center over a year and let’s face it, standing at the door gets boring, hours at a time, 6 days a week. I am in the process of transfering to sales and I am researching feedback people leave, good and bad, about Guitar Center employees so I don’t make those same mistakes or can continue the wonderful customer service. I am sorry you have had bad experiences with Guitar Center in the past. Let me assure you, they are all not like that and I can personally assure you I will not be like that.

  • You are so right. I’m 12 do you know how freaking intimadated i was going to buy my first guitar and for some reason everyone there makes me feel like stupid.

  • They work on commision.

    They don’t sell the best guitars made.

    They don’t give a shit.

    Educate yourself. Learn the feel and sound you like.

  • man i love reading this review! i could literally picture myself standing at the counter and looking up at the gibson es335 of my dreams and thinking to myself, “God, that’s an amazing guitar! look how high up it is!” one key point that i personally dislike about guitar center is their used gear deal. selling your gear at GC is like getting a bullet in the leg.

  • There are great points to both sides of the argument here. I’m from a small town in PA and the only instrument stores I’ve ever known have been mom and pop (or “ma and pa” is more like it for my area). I think that you can get an a-hole sales clerk anywhere you go, people have bad days, they get dumped, receive speeding tickets, and lets face it have to endure 8+ hours of some pretty dumb questions from some pretty dumb customers (i was always under the impression “the customer is always right” is a method of calming down the service worker that knows the customer is almost always wrong.). It is my observation no matter what music store you go to there will always be some greasy caveman ripping through some Megadeath solo somehow leading it into Pantera – Walk. For some reason this will never change. Recently I made a road trip to the closest guitar center (50+ Miles away) and found nothing different in atmosphere or product quality for that matter. Maybe it’s because the local music shop employs the same amount of no talent, flunkies as any other major guitar store. For me any music store experience is terrible, I love buying online even strings, because I don’t get hassled to buy a string winder and picks with every pack I buy. For a couple years now I’ve been kind traveling around the country online and making some nice guitar purchases from companies such as Warmoth for strat necks (bought a highway one strat body off of ebay for $150 and put a warmoth neck on it), Carvin for an AE-185, and A Builder named Dave Bunker (bunker/treker guitars) from Utah who built me a custom Trey Anastasio/Paul Languedoc Style guitar which is amazing. I think if you want quality instruments you really have to hunt for them, which i think is cool because it gives you something original and most of the time you can have them modified to your specifications at the same prices of the big guys standard models. I think it’s obviously different for every individual what they want in guitars and gear: I also believe that having the attitude that one store can cater to everyone’s needs is foolish. Why don’t we all just agree to let the show offs Shredding through Heavily Distorted Solos have guitar center, then at least their moms will know where to pick them up.

  • I thought I was going to be reading a well thought of AND well reasoned article, but to be honest you’re just complaining because a company is putting their expensive gear out of reach. 1. It’s not so hard to say hey peon, grab that LP for me so I can try it out. That’s just showing that you’re a pussy. 2. Would you put your most expensive equipment in “snatch and grab” range? Because I sure wouldn’t. It really just seems like you’re bitching because you’re either too much of a pussy to ask for someone to pull down a 1k+ guitar, or you think they should put expensive shit down where anybody can grab it and run off with it, or damage it. To be honest, I wouldn’t want just anybody grabbing a guitar that I want, because if you’ve ever actually looked at the ones at the bottom they’re treated like shit.

  • Eric Huff’s point is null and void. any reputable guitar shop will have floor models of every low end guitar any way, the one’s you buy will be in the back in a box. Well thought out and well reasoned? You think your vocabulary is well thought out and reasoned? Calling the article author a pussy? Give me a break and go back to your cave. I guess any one is a rogue scholar who uses the words “pussy” and “shit” twice in one paragraph. Thanks for the input Thoreau.

  • You’re witty asshole. Keep fighting the good fight on the Internet and all!

    My point is valid; if he would just ASK someone to pull the guitar down, his argument wouldn’t even have a base.

  • Actually he’s simply stating that guitar center centers its business around creating false pretenses through symbolism in their store’s layout. The author is saying you don’t have to necessarily buy a $5,000 guitar to have a great playing guitar, you can modify and get a professional setup on lower end models and come out with practically the same result. The article more focus’s on how they get you to waste your money by falsely representing a professional music store because they don’t take the time to set-up and properly care for the lower end models of instruments as they do higher end ones, and they especially don’t tell you to get a professional set-up when you buy a mexican strat they wait until your hand hurts and hope you come back to buy an American made one. How hard was that to pull out of this article you caveman? There was one line in this whole article about asking a salesperson to get a higher end model down, and that is what you say his entire message is trying to convey? Go back to middle school and get the diploma you obviously need. It wasn’t that hard to understand the quality points being made in this piece. You’re just an idiot.

  • I am a GC employee. I work in drums. Drums involves a lot of special ordering of random parts and pieces that we do not stock. Bottom line, we are going to make you happy based on the performance of that certain sales person you are working with. If that person is not willing to try every option they can to get you what you need, they are not doing their job. As far as the beginners, drums are worse than guitars as far as the annoying riffs. Young dudes come in, ask for sticks, and sit down on the most expensive kit we have set up (totalling in the range of $10,000) and make an attempt at the latest Slipknot beat- While I’m on the phone or simply trying to talk to someone that is two feet away from me. It is hell to deal with sometimes, but ultimately, the whole “playground” aspect boils down to business. When that kid is ready, he/she will come to us for their gear because we allow this chaos. While I love dealing with experienced players, talking shop all day long, It’s a very satisfying experience to set that kid up with his/her first kit that they will play for years. I’m not in it for money, I don’t make much. I care about music. I’ve had bad experiences at GC, Sam Ash, and independent stores. I know that if you come in my store, you will get the best service we can offer. It all depends. If you can’t understand that, sit at home.

  • AdvancedPlayerW/CheapGuitar

    Nice website, a fun read. I would disagree with the following statement, however:

    “The thing about the cheap stuff is that the companies don’t really care about it. They use cheap materials, cheap labor, and no quality control. These mass produced instruments should be used by no one, but there’s no getting around it.”

    I guess it depends on what cheap stuff you’re talking about. I’ve been playing since 1994. My first real guitar was (and continues to be) a black “Squier Series” Mexican Strat I got at a now defunct DC area music shop (somewhere between the mom + pop and GC scale, on the spectrum of store size, geographic coverage, etc.) I paid $250 for it at the time, and in the meantime I’ve swapped out the pickups and machine-heads (totaling approx. $120), and couldn’t be happier with the instrument. It plays, to my ears, feel, etc. like anything in your medium range. And the original body, neck, and construction in no way whatsoever resemble a cheap instrument that tortures the player and is gotten rid of after a short while. It’s been fourteen years, and the axe is still an indestructible tone-machine.

    As someone not in possession of large amounts of disposable income and falls somewhere between the novice and the pro in terms of skill (perhaps a category into which most of us adult players fall?), it doesn’t make any sense for me to shell out serious bucks for an American Strat, Les Paul, or PRS, etc. My normal playing venues are my living room and a local pub or jam session, where good, dependable tone are what I require. I have no interest in making others drool over the name on my headstock or the figuring of guitar’s body.

    While I agree with many of your observations about Guitar Center – especially about the mind-numbing cacophony of deaf teenagers who play nothing but pentatonic scales at 3,000 m.p.h. – and that we should be vigilant in ensuring that our instruments, equipment, etc. are produced ethically, I disagree with the implication that good, fun, valuable music can only be made on guitars costing $1,000 or more.

  • cool site, good read.

    @AdvancedPlayerW/CheapGuitar, i agree with you… same concept applies to semi-pro digital cameras and things like that.

    i have a friend who won’t play anything but PRS (he sucks… i’m a fender guy) and a friend who plays epiphone… both are incredible musicians – all got to do with… lol… disposable income and taste.

    @the Guitarist – hate is a strong word, but i’m not too far from there. that’s why i’ve tried to find smaller stores that are more concerned with treating customers right. sometimes you can’t help it though…

  • This is the best summary of Guitar Center I have heard yet. Totally true. I have been to GC’s all up and down the East Coast and this is the way it is unfortunately.

  • urafuckingmoron

    You’re a fucking tool. You obviously have no clue why businesses are in business and can’t seem to understand that because an employee is on commission, its makes him obligated to sell, rather than sit around and ignore you.

    If you’ve ever been to a mom and pop store whos guys were not on commission, you’d know how “great” of service they’ll give you while they’re texting away or reading a magazine. They could give a fuck less if you have questions or need help.

    Grow a fucking brain moron.

    If you want to know what its really like. why don’t you try working and try living off the pay?

    Fucking idiot.

  • I suppose it is a bit different here in Britian, most of the guitar shops I know are not to big or to small, staff are friendly and don’t care if you buy or look, and it is a much more comfortable experience than shopping in what sounds like a “supermarket for guitars”

  • Everyone here seems to rip on metalheads, but I’ve gotta say, I live with a guy who loves metal, and he knows what he wants out of a guitar and plays his very well (he nailed a beautiful Genesis song; fantastic to hear a live guitar playing it), so for all the mindless shredders in guitar centers everywhere, there are maybe fewer, but still many metal-minded guitarists who stay at home, and have a genuine appreciation for great music

    I think you kind of nailed it about what’s wrong with guitar centers, but while it’s painful to admit this I think it’s partially a tradeoff for its popularity, sort of like how good music that is in guitar hero is made to feel a little stupid when tight-polo frat boys blast it out of their suburban SUVs. I’ve been to a few bad guitar centers

    I think someone else mentioned this though: even if guitar center didn’t have middle schoolers ripping out the metal every time you walked in, would it be able to satisfy really specific needs? I’ve been searching for a hollowbody electric to play similar to Trey Anastasio’s (which is how google lead me here), but I doubt I can find a shop where I can play anything similar unless I go to vermont, where Phil Languedoc makes his home.


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